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Welcome everybody to the finding Hermes podcast. I hope you’re ready to go with the god of the mind through those doors, doors of perception doors that you uh will find uh the best thing about you
and where you need to be in this world, and I’m very excited today to have Dr. Joseph Lancaster with us. Joseph, thank you very much for coming on and finding Hermes. Absolutely thank you so much for inviting me it’s very nice, pleasure is all mine so for the audience
uh, who might want to know to tell us about your journey into heresy for lack of better words or the
esoterica jury the heresy
well, uh, first of all, uh
I was born in 1971 born and raised in Los Angeles California
and I joined the air force when I was 19
when I decided to become a psychologist, either that or a computer scientist, and as my brother
who’s a computer scientist told me you know it’s a whole different kind of logic being a psychologist
versus a computer scientist calculus and all, so I thought to myself
well, you know, based on my upbringing, I was raised very religiously, and I think that
Jesus Christ, the buddha probably relates a little bit more to being a psychologist
so that’s what helped me to make my decision during my time in service
and then, after my time in service, I went to graduate school and
it was during my graduate school time in Los Angeles that I met a dear friend of mine who turned me on to
Joseph Campbell, the famous worldwide mythologist
and there is when I started to break free for about three years slowly, a lot
of uh blood, sweat, and tears, so to speak, I have
breaking out of my mainstream mentality of Christianity, it was very difficult to
do but worth the while and um, and that was around the time when i
I started hearing as well about Dr. Stephan A. Hoeller through the grapevine, depending on who i
was studying with or working with as an intern and
in more recent times, I got married to my Polish wife. I was awesome; uh, she’s
a with an amazing marriage and I uh with her we are both together
uh, the owners of divine life therapy, which is really
uh, the home of my gnostic pneumotherapy approach
uh, which is my big contribution to the field of psychology. I know we’re going to talk about that a little more in
depth later on wonderful, wonderful yeah glad thanks for sharing your story as I say of deep
programming it’s never easy yeah, you mentioned uh dr Stephan A. Hoeller obviously, he’s uh I’ve
I interviewed him a few times for an Aeon Bite I’ve had the honor of being at a
service that he officiated or was the bishop only once, but it was memorable
I’ll never forget it; fortunately, I’m not down in LA. I can’t enjoy these things
more than that and his bc recordings are just amazing. I advise the
audience to find those; you can find many of them on youtube. He’s done an incredible job in moving the gnostic and
other esoteric uh uh ideas to the mainstream in his books are, of course
great, his book uh uh yeah, the gnostic Jung and the seven
sermons of the dead are such powerful it’s not just well written but are so emotional, so evocative full of pathos
if you want to know more about Abraxas, it’s a great book um, so how did how has he influenced
you was he the one that really got you into the whole gnostic ethos
yes, uh, okay, so uh, can I tell you maybe a little story, sure, please
we love stories. Yeah, as I say in this probably from joseph Campbell, people don’t listen to facts in this world but
stories that are another thing that’s how our brains work yeah, okay okay good, so uh
and I will admit I have my little memorable notes here on to the side, okay, so uh just so long ago, okay
so as I was kind of saying earlier, uh, as I was an intern
this is back in the 90s, uh late 90s
and uh, through the grapevine, fellow workers, I was working at a hospital
and um, some other places, and they heard about my earlier writings
where I was uh, for example, my dissertation where I was comparing fundamentalist Christians with
non-fundamentalist Christians
and so once these people heard about my
interest in non-fundamentalist Christians as well, uh
they had uh mentioned to me some uh wonderful, mysterious guy named dr Stephan A. Hoeller
oh really, you might want to see that guy talk to him. Oh, okay, great, you know, and so
uh of course, back then, in the 90s, you know, before technology was what it is
today you know I’m relying on the phone book let me find this guy you know and 4-1-1 and we don’t we
know we never heard that place Ecclesia Gnostica, Hollywood, California or this guy, and but I heard was uh he was somewhere
located on Hollywood boulevard at that time, and so I drove up, and down the hollow boulevard I couldn’t find him right i
now I realized that I did actually see the facade of his tiny little chapel at that time
uh, which had, I think, a little itty bitty cross on the door, but I couldn’t see that I was driving by, so I kept missing
out on, you know, seeing him earlier anyway, um so
um what happened was, oh actually, what happened was um
I was in a Borders bookstore in west la; uh this is all while I was doing my
dissertation and i saw a wonderful book called uh Jung and the lost gospels that caught
my eye across the room, and so I just ran to that book
practically and I bought it, and I started uh referencing him in my dissertation, and I said, you know, I think
that guy I keep hearing about, you know, I’m not sure, but I think this is the guy, right but again, I can’t
find him uh kind of like a good ancient gnostic, very hidden and mysterious, right
right, right, okay, so he’s very appropriate anyway so
um uh, and then one day I went to a whole foods bookstore
uh, I don’t know if you know about that actually, no whole foods um uh health stores excuse me
um uh, for healthy food and you don’t have to have a lot of free magazines on the outside, you know, especially in la’s
very much like that, and uh, I was just kind of looking through it; this is this guru that guru on the back pages all of
a sudden, I see this little tiny ad dr Stephan A. Hoeller Ecclesia Gnostica, Hollywood, California at http://gnosis.org/lectures.html
you know what? That’s that guy from that book I just bought and referenced in my dissertation as
well, as whom everybody else has been talking about, and there actually was a
address and a phone number for free lectures every Friday night
eight o’clock and uh and I uh what was the subject about it
was uh Castaneda? I believe Carlos Castaneda yeah yeah, I believe
that’s what the subject was about, so I went down there and checked out the lecture. This was back in 2001
and I’ve been with him ever since; wow, okay so
so I’ve been with dr Dr. Stephan Hoeller at the Gnostic Society in Los Angeles http://gnosis.org/lectures.html now for a total of 21 years
and uh I’ve attended his church services, his lectures uh meeting with him
personally, you name it, and um, he’s even blessed me to uh uh
this last Christmas, for example, to even uh send me a Christmas card
calling me his son, you know, and although I’ve often referenced him as my
spiritual grandfather, so either way you look at it, it’s all good um uh, because we’ve been very committed
to each other for a long time, um, on the very subjects we’re going to be talking about today
uh, so that’s kind of the little story right there, um
and all this came again out of the whole person magazine that I found from the
um whole food store, okay yeah, and uh, a lot of synchronicities did
you know about synchronicities back then where you’re like there is meaning driving me there is purpose
that’s true yeah that’s true I’ve had to relearn that concept many times
from dr Dr. Stephan Hoeller at the Gnostic Society in Los Angeles, because it’s a pretty mysterious concept, but yeah, there was synchronicity there that’s very
meaningful, what a wonderful coincidence that, um, I finally found him, and he found me and
uh, that’s what makes me who I am today as a spiritual psychologist
uh that I am to where I can serve my uh patients and my initiates through
gnostic pneumotherapy in such a way where they can have that new awareness
that new beginning by getting past this mundane consciousness
into a more creative consciousness to find the gnosis that informs them of who they really are
versus the limitations of this ego that uh blinds us and, therefore
uh brings forth more shadow to influence our ego in a way that is
very unhealthy uh because of the ignorance because of the the
limitations of our daily consciousness. Sorry I know I’m jumping a little ahead
here but speech these, uh, I know off-the-cuff speeches are the best, and this is
what people need to hear because, as you said uh, part of the gnostic idea
is that? Yeah, it’s ignorance, but just because you have you know the annum Nessies that Philip doesn’t mean
There will be ignorance that will wash you the next day. You’ll forget the simple
rules of self-knowledge contemplation, so I tell people, yeah, we need these
daily reminders, so sometimes we need that fridge magnet, spirituality cliche mantras; you know anything because
the whole world is trying to make us forget who we are, and we don’t help our own cause; that’s correct, yes, yes, yes
no, no, no wonder why again why the Egyptians, for example, had their jewelry or their rings and
things of that sort it wasn’t just for you know, fun and show it was there were reminders
do not forget raw et cetera et cetera; yeah, they just didn’t want to post it on Instagram to look
to them, everything was important, so you know uh Scott Smith and his wife Sandra to he’s been a guest oh yes
yes, awesome guy, wonderful Scott Smith, very supportive
[Music] wonderful man who’s also very close to dr Stephan A. Hoeller, yes
yeah, past yes, and I always enjoy his take so so awesome so that some people might be
saying sometimes they say uh well okay these guys are you know we have uh this therapist
we’re talking about modern days, but these guys are bringing all these ancient dead heretics who were
fighting the orthodox church and the archons and the demiurge and all that but
I think you uh well what would you say to that that uh how
does Gnosticism translate today? I think we hit you hit it on the head, right it’s the
famous uh oracle of Delphi that the gnostics took to heart and
many religions don’t; it’s a simple idea of knowing thyself
right, so how does this translate today? Yeah, how does Gnosticism translate
in a way that helps people know themselves, uh you just have ignorance
well, you know, I uh think about even movies like lord of the
rings or star wars etc. etc. uh maybe harry potter
for some people, which I also know, dr Stephan A. Hoeller lectured on some of those movies
those are one of the many ways that Gnosticism relates to
today’s need to awaken to be more mindful, which is a popular buzz term
for example um, millions go to see star wars or lord of
the rings or harry potter, and oh yeah, it’s cool the effects and this step or the other
but many people don’t realize on a much deeper level beyond all those uh
bells and whistles and effects it’s really touching their soul, moving
their soul in some way, expanding their
mundane consciousness to be a more super consciousness in some way
uh, for example, you mean that I could possibly be like luke skywalker and
become a yoda myself or an obi-wan Kenobi or me like he is in the latest movies
you know so so um yeah uh, and I think in the latest movie the the
girl’s name is ray she is uh something like what you skywalker
used to be when he was just starting uh to learn the ways of the force right
uh and so uh yeah the ways of the force the ways of the archetypes huh the unconscious
archetypes and how to work with those forces no matter how positive or negative but to
to uh uh if we know the ways of the force that is really within us
uh in this 2022 existence, no matter whether it’s through the way
of dreams or visions or aha experiences or mythologies by whatever means we use
we can learn the ways of our unconscious forces where the archetypes live archetypes meaning those superior
realities those universal truths so that we can um come to terms with
ourself you know who am i answer that question who am I? I’m asking people in my intake sessions
that all the time and most people don’t know who they are, and that’s why they’re in
therapy right well why am I suffering this way right you know
um, however, fortunately, I also have other clientele
that become what I call my initiates because they’re interested in going
beyond just standard psychotherapy they, they want to walk the path
uh their own path and uh even an agnostic at one time told
me a long time ago oh, okay, I’ll try this out because everything else I’m doing is not working, so I’ll cut out this path
but I tell you what; I’m going to find my own path
on the path, whoa, that was so cool. I loved it when he said that because now I’ve been, I’ve
been saying that to everybody now you know exactly I’m just
in an uh basic way or generic way
giving you an example of what a psychospiritual path looks like step by step
but most importantly, I do want you, no matter what background
you come from to find your own unique path on the path
so that way, you can drive your own meaning of what your dreams mean to you or your
visions, right, so um as long as the person comes from any
kind of love tradition or even if they’re agnostic or
even if they’re atheists, you know I mean as long as they’re willing and ready to do an inner deep path work like Carl Jung Swiss psychiatrist used to help his clients with then it was all good
that’s how I want to help people, i want to help people to help themselves
go into the depths of their soul in order to make their own inner
self-discoveries from that mystery of their own being by participating in the
mystery of their own being through those mysterious mirrors which
we call dreams, visions, and mythologies. It’s from that mystery that you
discover those parts of yourself that you did not know before
so that way, you can um integrate those different parts of yourself and no longer be shattered
glass with seven deadly sins, right- greed,
lust, anger, pride, well, we put all those pieces back together again, you become a wholeness of
oneness like the gnostics and Carl Jung talked about because with that oneness that
wholeness uh, as dr Stephan A. Hoeller has taught me, what the root of the word wholeness is
holy, hell, holy health, wholeness
okay, and like Jesus’s beautiful halo, right uh, which is beautiful, not fragmented and
ugly and therefore, by having that wholeness that balance
we have freedom from suffering and or causing suffering as much as possible
so again, um, as also dr Stephan A. Hoeller taught me when we’re
unbalanced, that’s when all the emotional problems come forth, so we need that balance again to be as
free as possible from suffering and or causing it via the wholeness we have attained
so no wonder why Carl Jung said the patient or, in this case, the initiate needs to be
responsible for doing your own inner work. If people are not responsible for doing their own inner work through dreams
visions aha experiences mythology ritual you name it then how are we going to
make those self-discoveries um come to grips with ourselves or coming
to terms with ourselves if we’re in a low vibration, as quantum physics would say
then we have more of those qualities like the archons
like the pride, the anger, etc., but when we’re of a higher vibration
as quantum physics talks about, then we have more of the traits like the angels,
compassion, peace, truth, right
balance, so in other words, there’s a transformation that happens we were once of a lower
vibration where we were dishonest, and now we’re about the truth, which i talk
about my gnostic pneumatherapy [ Gnostic therapy] book, we are no longer of the anger, but now we
have transformed into the peace of who we really are on a much higher
level of existence, knowledge gnosis knowledge, divine knowledge
but it’s not just a head knowledge it’s a knowledge that is uh of sight and sound
it is a direct experience type of knowledge like the gnostics, and Carl Jung had
so that we can make these self-discoveries that heal us to come closer to the
divine, and therefore we become more like the divine
because the divine is a mirror reflection of who we are
uh the divine is anthropomorphic in many ways and we are
heteromorphic, we are a mirror reflection of one another
kind of like that greek statue where you see the twins, uh holding
each other’s hand, one twin is mortal, one twin is immortal, but that is us you see a reflection
and and as the old saying goes, you can’t beat god so
so if you can’t beat god, then why not, um
be what religion is really about, which is not heady religion, not organized
religion that’s limited, but uh
the act of becoming we’re becoming who we once were
who we really are as a gnostic say uh where we came from who we are and where
we’re going so by having that religious experience which is what I’ve been talking about this whole time about by having more
religious experience as Carl Jung talks about; we are in the act of becoming
that oneness once again, even the bible talks about how god knew before you were born
in your best condition at that time, that’s what the soul’s journey is all about is to go
back to that original condition when you were at your best in mind, body ,spirit
even beyond body, right um you know of the spirit so
that is our life’s goal; no wonder why carl Jung says that your life’s goal is to be conscious that’s what I’m speaking
about this whole time is the ways you can become conscious and
overall become who you once were even before you were born
You can’t beat that no, no that’s really well said great
In summation, yeah,Carl Jung did say the gnostics were history’s first uh depth psychologist
and I think yeah, the gnostics really saw were one of the few you could put the
Neoplatonic to the hermetic, they saw that what we were was just the tip of the iceberg, and there was an ocean
of all of the different realities like you said archetypes and like Joseph Campbell said, all the gods, the heavens, the devils
are within us they are energies coming up and what the gnostic said is okay we need to listen because if we listen to
this ocean, or like Carl Jung would say, we listen to our soul that’s where individuation is, so would
you say gnostic pneumotherapy is about listening to
everything that’s happening within you
right uh, or what is the path
right well, actually, let me bounce off what you just said, so another little lesson dr Stephan A. Hoeller has taught me
to relate to what he just said is that, um
when you have an intuitive experience, okay, or what I call in my book a gnosis
perception okay when you have that gnosis perception when you’re in a dream or a vision
uh through active imagination, let’s say, um
it’s not just intuition okay many times, the intuition can attach itself by the
source’s divine love and grace to help us the intuition will attach itself to
our emotions to our thoughts to our sensations, even
during that actual experience, so you see, we’re getting a full plethora of experience that is definitely
possible which is beautiful and awesome that moves us even more
uh to be inspired to keep doing that kind of individuation work
uh, which I call in my book, um uh the gnosis integration process
so I have a few offshoot terms from Carl
Jung, again, calls it same individuation thing that the developmental process is a
gnosis integration process to lead you to a final gnosis integration
uh same thing with his term transcendent function, as I talked to
dr Stephan A. Hoeller about where dr Stephan A. Hoeller agreed with me that i could split that term apart to make it a
little more simple, and where I call it the
great transcendent function which uses the extended transcendent
function, and we’re obviously talking about a connecting principle here, right
so from the source that extended transcendent uh function
is what I call an archetypal soul guide, okay
um it’s a guide obviously that can help
the ego to connect during those dream or visionary experiences to
connect to the different archetypal images
but it is also true that a person may not have an archetypal soul guide they
might per se go it alone, and they’re having these dreams or
visions where they may not have per se a guide obviously, the source is the
ultimate guide nonetheless where they on their own can talk to the different archetypes
in order to make those connections and through the dialogue, they can also assimilate as
I talk about in my book assimilating that wisdom those divine
energies so that, as I was saying before, their dishonesty becomes the truth
their anger becomes peace, so you see slowly but surely
let me put it this way slowly but surely; they are dialoguing and assimilating, integrating
all of that gnosis, and then they’re ready for more, and then they’re ready for more, and then they’re
ready for more, and they become more and more individuated, as Carl Jung would say or
as I call gnosis integration process and as they become more developed in such a way
then it’s all spontaneous in their daily life in their daily life
it spontaneously comes to fruition more easily in other words, think about a bulb
a little bit more simply, you are like a bulb but do you identify
yourself with the bulb, the body, or with the light that’s inside the bowl right
so kind of like on a dimmer switch as you as you put up that knobby
the light gets brighter and brighter and fills the inside right, so you see this is this is the god
the effect I’m talking about of the gnosis where we want to fill up our light bulb
with all of that divine knowledge um healing energy etc. therefore we
can’t help it like the buddha or the Christ, it radiates out of us into the world
right, and people become attracted to us because wow, you got something that I don’t got, I’m just depressed, anxious and miserable, and please, uh, like luke skywalker Yoda show
me the way obi-wan Kenobi show me the way uh Frodo to Gandalf show me the way
right you see that that’s very, very important to
help to heal this world one person at a time but that one person at a time needs
to do their inner work so that we can be a light in this dark world like the like
the gnostics were, and Carl Jung was, and therefore we can inspire other
people, we can become a transformational object for them
right we know an object is often talked about as a person in psychology, but we are transformational. We’re like a mentor
for those people who as well want to transform to help make this world a better place
one person at a time by doing our own inner work via the path work that I have helped to
set forth called gnostic pneumatherapy obviously, there are many path paths out
there to reach the source, right? I’m not the only one, but I offer I offer
through my um training experience, I’ve gained through
dr Stephan A. Hoeller, as well as my own practice etc etc i um
have been writing this book since 2007 long time now because, as dr Stephan A. Hoeller said, this is not
going to be an easy task, so I’ve been writing for a long time this book to set up a
psychospiritual path work where people can step by step, kind of like being in the old greek
mysteries where you where the the the person comes from the masses and walks
into the temple, which is pitch black, and there are torches along the way
and the hero font meets them and helps them as they’re willing and ready along the
way to gain more revelations along the way, more
instruction more ethereal experiences, and then at the end of it all the
the mystery was revealed right, and as part of that mystery, I’m using
Carl Jung’s Sistema manitous out of his uh red book
uh that mandala gnostic mandala-like uh uh pitch that he drew
I’m doing a different variation of it legally and ethically, of course so that
so that people can have their own experience
based on that basic mandala or
the picture there um to have their own version their own experience
uh similar to what Jung had in order to know thyself and to thine own self be
true via the many worlds, the many levels of
understanding as they journey to the center of it
okay, and uh, you know dr Stephan A. Hoeller has blessed me to approve me
to do this as well um so that i can uh publish this so that uh
therapists can use this uh um mandala of the seven sermons to the dead
that’s my other name, right? No, as dr Stephan A. Hoeller helped me to
cultivate as far as a name for it um
that’s going to be one of the final tools that I utilize with people to give them that wow experience
that reminds me, I was on the phone many years ago with dr Stephan A. Hoeller and dr
Stephan A. Hoeller, before he hung up, he said you know I want you to look at like the last page of the red book
and then we finished our conversation, and right at that moment, I opened up like one of the very last pages of
the red book where that mandala is at, and wow, way like i saw it like in
uh the fourth dimension is like a dome you know, so there’s obviously much more
to that um mandala, that magical circle
then just a two-dimensional um picture, you know so so you see that’s an example
of where a person can hang on to that and go further with that in order to
have many aha experiences as they do their path work
of self-discovery, not knowing who you’re going to meet along the way
but dialogue with them, assimilate them, and then you will eventually get to the
center of that mandala and then
exit out beyond it into the oneness stage of consciousness
as I talk about my book because it’s in the oneness stage of consciousness where you have that full
individuation um individual right as they say in the Italian Latin
that’s wonderful. Yeah very excited about your book, so you mentioned the mystery religion. Uh we
mentioned the gnostics and even Jung the red book, his descent into himself
his guide was Philemon aka Simon magus aka a few other
uh manifestations, but one of the hardest things is to
face not just who you are but face your trauma, your depression, your shadow i
mean the mystery religions you would go down into hades and meet these demons
which were symbolical for your own pain. How do you do that
Joseph or is it just
painful I don’t want to see. I don’t want to
revisit this stuff. We live in a society where we just want to suppress the pain, suppress the anxiety
put it all on one side and put a happy smile on, but that’s no, you got to go down right
absolutely well, in my book, I do make many references to dante, for example, going
into the inferno uh kind of somewhat similar to Sophia
when she fell out of heaven and went down to the chaos which was all in here right
well, we’ll tell you what first. I want to start off with more of a
classic answer related to the shadow side, um, so you know doing shadow work is very
important as Carl Jung talked about uh because
um well, first of all, what is the shadow, so the shadow is basically, um
made up, you could say of our childhood trauma uh which has not been maybe resolved for
some people the hurt, the disappointment the neglect
uh, you name it, and that makes up a lot of our shadow side right in our personal
uh unconscious mind but also the unlived energies because you know the divine wants us to
be all that we can be, but when we’re not all that we can be, then those uh energies uh become like a weed in our
soul dormant, and that kind of works against us too uh we’re not fully consciously aware
and so this shadow side is kind of like the uh old story of dr
Jekyll, Mr hyde, or banner turned into a hulk right um well I’m Mr nice guy no you’re not
well I’m very giving no you’re not you’re greedy, you know and so and so on right kind of the seven deadly sins
that um Dante was encountering when he went into the inferno right
so when we’re having a dream or a vision and we experience a dark a figure
that um is very scary or painful in some way to us than the
most important thing is for our ego to be present don’t run away
dialogue with it befriend it right and by doing that
we kind of disempower it over our soul and no longer can get the best of us
we’re kind of taking back our original energy if you will so that we can uh make that energy
useful helpful in our life and that energy helps to lift up our soul towards the light thank you Jesus
christ right or buddha or whoever you’re into and yes that shadow side is still there
but it’s of a lower vibration it doesn’t have such easy access to our soul
anymore okay to bring us down uh so
if we’re of a lower vibration once again we’re in trouble because ah we got you again sucker
greed, lust, anger, pride,
so we need to be of a higher vibration by being responsible and doing this inner-depth work so that we can give a
higher vibration and uh therefore the shadow side within is not
so potent anymore okay uh bringing all this suffering and pain to our lives or
those of others so that is an important part of the Gnostic Pneumatherapy pathway and by
doing that kind of uh shadow work then makes it easier
to have more clairvoyance to have a more clear vision where we can more easily get those
um greater archetypal dreams that come forth or greater archetypal uh visions
to come forth as a matter of fact um can I tell you of
a case example yeah please do
one of my most successful initiates which again is a patient i just call them on initiates because they’re doing
the path work okay in her new awareness her new beginning one of her many wonderful stories was
that um she had come to the session and she said she had a
a dream a scary dream uh but basically the way it went was
uh she was up at a pond and the birds the bees everything was like
spring wonderful and pretty and nice and she started to go down into that
pond and oh having a wonderful time and then as
she was coming out kind of like that scene of lord of the rings you know the fellowship
where that big giant octopus comes out no that’s pretty much what happened in her dream and she’s walking
and she’s walking out of the pond gleefully and then all of a sudden this big giant octopus starts coming after
her and she’s just like all right okay and she gets to the shore
right barely makes it so i said oh okay, that’s interesting so I’ll tell you what, uh and this is of course before the
coronavirus right so I was able to have her lay on the couch so so she lays on couch i said i want you to go back
to the scary part of that dream you had so basically i was helping her to
resolve that dream you could say through active imagination visionary work right
so she’s laying on the couch and she’s speaking to me through and through what’s going on, Dr.
Lancaster I’m there I’m there again at the uh the pond
uh and it’s really ugly this time you know uh like the way I left it and there’s trash all around and it smells
bad it’s dark i can’t see anything that’s happening oh my god okay
so okay okay my feet are now in the water okay good very good keep going
okay now I’m up to my knees I’m so nasty I don’t want to do this it’s i I’m scared and it’s it’s awful smells bad i
can’t see anything what’s going on, so all of a sudden she gets up to like her chest level in the water
what’s happening i can’t believe it the water’s moving
but it’s getting more clear and it doesn’t smell so bad anymore
and then before you know it she would her head was underwater
there’s a beautiful light and I hear uh some beautiful music and someone calling my name
Dr Lancaster it’s god
and god is calling my name and is touching me with his beautiful light
and wants me to come his way. I’m coming
wow she jumped out of the couch and was so happy and gleeful and and and
ever since then she had no depression you know and she’s just so happy and enlightened and her her
individuation since then has been immaculate she’s had so many visions and
dreams of a higher caliber the greater archetypes
like angels and archangels you name it and she’s very uh uh much healed no
wonder i hardly ever see her anymore you know you know once in a blue moon
i’ll hear from uh she’ll come to session and give me reports of how she’s you know still on her um
successful uh path work uh because you know the pathway never really ends right
um but just a very much a success case um and uh I’m very very happy for her that
she’s been so uh uh willing to share these wonderful success stories with me which is in my
book so uh that’s kind of how it works uh now there is one other part i don’t want to forget this because i said much earlier that I was going to give you another answer to uh
uh shadow work um well another possibility if need be
um EMDR work or hypnosis which i also do so so if if a if a
therapist in the future who’s following this um uh mode of therapy uh
psychospiritual therapy through gnostic pneumatherapy wants to do this they can do hypnosis
where if the person’s mind is going in this direction giving them lots of uh
um let’s say seven deadly sins in their life or illusions of ignorance as i call
then obviously the hypnosis may help them to have their uh patterns go in that direction instead
to get better results right and clear up the pathway to make it more
easier for them to have better dreams or visions you name it okay
uh also there’s EMDR work uh you know that the eye uh
bilateral stimulation, have you heard about EMDR? yeah but please yes explain to
those who might not know please right to do a trauma as you were saying earlier um where they can go back to their early
target memory uh maybe some kind of trauma they experienced as a child let’s say
which brought forth a bad core belief in themselves
and by working through that uh traumatic uh memory
emotionally of course so there’s a lot of ab reaction that’s happening uh throughout the process why does
bilateral stimulation happening it’s where the um uh
the brain as they would say or maybe dr Stephan A. Hoeller would say the mind you know
helps to let go of some of that unnecessary old stuff and new information comes forth that
they might have forgotten about oh yeah but I forgot that my uncle was there for me during that time
or god spoke to me during that time you see so they start to integrate those
positive memories um and they start to no longer feel like uh i can’t but rather i can
you know as their core belief as a person you know and so EMDR
does tap on some of those lower chakras as well as some of the higher ones so
does hypnosis and then, of course especially active imagination as Carl Gustav Jung was talking about, that’s really up there with the chakras so so they’re all like brother sister
at least at least i feel that emdr , hypnosis and active imagination
like dreams they’re all hitting on the chakras to help us to cleanse them and
get to the crown chakra if you will uh or back to them or to going beyond
that back to the source, makes yeah makes sense what a great
a suite of uh tools and so for each person that you have an uh consultation in fact
this would be a good time to uh show the audience your website
so they could know www.divinelifetherapy.com of course we’ll have this in the show notes
and everybody you give a free assessment and everybody has a different path
depending on their needs if a person wants a free 15-minute uh uh
consultation by me they can definitely uh do that yeah and also there’s an
assessment there if they want to see yeah am i really depressed am i really anxious
and again let me um reiterate that uh
divine life therapy is just the beginning doorway to my actual contribution to the
field of psychology and that is gnostic pneumotherapy and analysis
so that that’s where my big heartfelt writing is gnostic pneumatherapy and analysis
um divine life therapy is just a doorway because i have some people yeah
because i have some people come to me and they may not want to do the elongated in-depth path work like
like the ancient greek mysteries you know they might want just to come
and on a more light level psycho spiritually talk about their depression or their marital life
or formal life but other people may want to go even beyond that
and say no, I want this lifetime experience of doing the actual path work
because since uh when does god have any limitations right god has the no limitations
the divine goes on forever so even if this therapeutic relationship ends one
day the path still goes on right
and your book uh is your book out or when is your book coming out joseph
well, let’s talk about the divine about that one yeah well i give a publisher now um
i have had uh the seven out of the eight chapters uh reviewed
and uh given me some feedback that I’m working on right now and I’m finishing up my eighth chapter which is the final
chapter so you know I give some uh
updates once in a while on my website for people to find out when the book is going to come out
um which I encourage you folks to uh pick up a copy when it does come out
um just remember the book was primarily written for professionals
to utilize this psychospiritual approach which is just like the mindfulness people
but the only difference is this is from a western perspective right so
to utilize this method in their um uh private practice of psychotherapy
for those who want to take a psychospiritual approach but of course, anybody can pick up a
copy uh I’ve had uh patients in the past uh out of the blue hey guess what i ordered
your uh first book your second book Gnostic Pneumotherapy is my third book
so that you know and um so people could do whatever they feel is best uh even if it’s a
patient or an initiate if they want to pick up a copy but even if they didn’t pick up a copy the
a therapist is going to use different excerpts from the book in order to get them to step by step
through the therapeutic mysteries and then into the spiritual mysteries
the therapeutic mysteries is more paper pencil work where they’re learning about
the mythology of Sophia and what is your version of the mythology of Sophia and
then they graduate from that into the spiritual mysteries where it becomes more ethereal in nature
where were we start to look more about how the visions
come about for example let’s say um let’s say that um
you have a vision and I am your Abraxis or you know or i
am your um Philemon you know and we kind of do a little role play let’s say
of acting out how to do dialogue and assimilation as we look at other people’s examples of
that like dr Robert Johnson who’s a famous Jungian analyst
we may use some of his examples um so that way down the road when the initiate
goes through what I call the foursome process for some process meaning
um you do the method and there are many methods you can use to get an active imagination experience
going and then after that you have the divine experience and then you have the documentation the
recording of that and then fourth is analysis now let’s analyze
through your documentation the experience you just had right
and so you see that whole foursome process helps to
uh enlighten the person through the gnosis they received but then they got to go back around again and again and
again and again kind of like Dante in his circle of life
in inferno Purgatorio Paradiso over and over again as the person
becomes more individuated more complete, more whole
more of a gnosis integration process to have that gnosis integration in the end
which is the same thing as the oneness one with the source being one with
your truest self and when you have that then like we said earlier that’s when the bulb is
totally enlightened and it brings off many positive vibes and rays of
light to the world this is the way to help make the world a better place one person at a time by
following your bliss as Joseph Campbell says to have this
enlightenment and therefore be a good uh uh light source in the world that people
will become magnetized to want to do the same for some process
via gnostic pneumotherapy hopefully or other or other pathways as well that’s out there like Buddhism
uh you name it so that they as well can mindfully become
whom we were all meant to be in this world an alien of this world to be more
of a weirdo a stranger like Jesus christ or the buddha but you see
they were crazy in the right way though
okay because to be crazy in the wrong way is hurtful but to be crazy in the right way or mad
is not really a madness but as Plato called a divine madness
and that’s what I’m all about is helping people to help themselves to attain
that divine madness uh because that kind of madness
is worth writing books about, its healing it’s beyond the limitations
of how’s the weather
okay beautifully said yes I love it yeah it reminds me for some reason two quotes by
Carl Jung when he said we didn’t come to this world to be good we came to be whole like he said we came to be ourselves and
what else did he say show me a sane man and I will cure him so divine madness that ecstasy that the
gods have or want from us
wonderful yeah love your message and agree with you on the active imagination and everything else I’m so excited about
everything you’re doing for the audience to get to find out more about you just go to your website
www.divinelivetherapy.com or there are other ways to uh get a hold of you yes and I still have my old gnostic
pneumotherapy website out there as well but divinelifetherapy.com is the main one
that’ll also lead you into the pneumotherapy uh tab and um
our uh can i give a phone number yeah of course of course and i will put this on the show notes too as well for those who
want to read so our uh front office number is 818-877-4647 and um we would uh love to hear from you who
whomever you are we welcome everybody wonderful yes get into that path work
one way or another, well joseph this has been a wonderful conversation definitely look forward to talking to you when your
book comes out and uh keep the dialogue going with Philemon our higher selves our lower selves
everybody needs a dialogue even our shadow that needs to be so I love what you’re doing; thank you so
much so you might actually invite me back yes yes
you and all your other complexes and shadow and higher they’re all welcome here we’ll fit you in of course so
okay blessings too; thank you so much you and everybody else and uh peace to everybody and there you have it a
fascinating interview with dr Lancaster very Jungian and dr Stephan A. Hoelle, and yes I am going to get a haircut soon but god, there’s so much to do so no
time thinking of a haircut is like well i think i understand Ted Kaczynski or
Albert einstein how they let their hair go and others too because again uh this
gnosis is just too fascinating but I have to get it done anyway beyond my hair
it’s great to see the Jungian path it’s great to understand that we all should
go inward or outward to alternate states of consciousness
i mean Jung basically rift off the gnostics and the gnostics basically rift
off those ancient shamans who decided that so many answers are found outside of our
normative thinking uh call it the spirit world call it the collective unconscious
call it whatever you want; the answers are there and it’s a great place to
explore for so many insights and so much healing
Philip k dick did say that since the universe is made of information then it can be said that information
will save us mystics and even new agers always talk about everything is consciousness and
everything is one well if that’s the case then the universe reality itself everything is
communicating with us and the key according to the gnostics and of course Jung is always to be
listening to some of the best news I ever had was that uh there was nothing wrong with me my
alcoholism my drug addiction my um severe manic depression
were based on the idea that I wasn’t listening to my soul or the gods or
to the collective unconscious again call it whatever you want and uh that i needed to listen to better i
mean let’s face it the soul is your shadow your childhood selves your complexes
your ancestors they’re always talking to us they want to see it at the table of
the ego because they have information for us and at the end of the day they
want to be integrated so when I realized that depression
anxiety mood swings wanting to get high was basically me not
wanting to listen or me not listening to these voices to that energy to that
communication well everything got better especially when I started finding the techniques to
listen i started doing meditation therapy, active imagination exercises
uh dream journaling all that to listen to what was coming up that wanted to
integrate with me and truly offered insights and avenues into what my
the purpose was and at the end of the day led me slowly to my authentic self i
still have a lot of work to do but things got better don’t get me wrong is uh John Lennon
said whatever gets you through the night you have to do what you have to do to feel
better to get a little breathing room but I would advise pivoting toward this
the idea of listening to your ancestors listening to that uh
wounded child listening to the shadows that are telling you you don’t want to be something but you have to face it; you
have to go into the underworld for those demons and then as I keep saying everything
gets much better and that’s really the secret of gnosis that’s the secret of
the mysticism that’s the secret of this universe that is all information
we just have to learn to listen and that in itself really is a mystical
experience it’s astral travel; it is going through those waves of information that go beyond this
the world into other dimensions, so I hope with this interview and what i said you
have this information and hopefully you can walk through those
doors with the god of the mind i hope you are also ready or closer to laying your
cards on the table and as both joseph Campbell and mary
Magdalene said to become transparent to the transcendent
because there are a lot of blockages which e with each one of us and when that
a blockage is gone we really do become transparent to everything that is out there and
everything that is urging us for our higher purpose and to find our authentic self
Thank You.
